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PostPosted: Saturday March 25, 2017 1:55:55    Post subject: It's going to get worse  Reply with quote

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The Young Turks will tell you the same thing.

Just a century ago our culture almost devoured itself in a storm of fire, and from that brink we created one hell of an environment for growth. And we've progressed like a balloon. So what's the next Great Depression going to be? An economic collapse, or a societal one?

I want you to listen to this and consider.

After it gets worse, how will it end? Because if you still don't want to consider it, at least listen to this former Muslim who was born and raised in Houston.

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And there's more if you look for it. The writing's on the wall.

There will not be a fix-all solution thought up by some great man or woman. There will be more attacks. They will get worse. They will take new and more awful forms with each passing year. Soon, one of us is going to get caught up in it, and then it will feel real.

The possible but very real threat of losing the CZ has me thinking about this.
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PostPosted: Saturday March 25, 2017 2:24:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we'll be fine.
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PostPosted: Saturday March 25, 2017 5:59:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wis you're a lunatic! You can't do this! YOU CAN'T DEMOGOGUE!
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PostPosted: Saturday March 25, 2017 9:01:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Croswynd wrote:
I think we'll be fine.


Yeah? And who's going to make us fine? We're not invincible, as proven time and time and time again.
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PostPosted: Saturday March 25, 2017 9:50:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'll be fine.

In my Ivory Tower looking down upon the squirming, tortured masses.
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PostPosted: Friday March 31, 2017 7:51:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one in their right mind ever said there was going to be a "fix all" solution. Real issues don't work that way and the world isn't so black-and-white as to afford us simple fixes to all of our problems.

I'm not exactly sure on what your point is with this thread. Are you saying Islam is a problem and cannot mesh with the West, are you implying that people aren't aware of this issue or is it something else?

Frankly, I laugh whenever people devalue this entire debate on the basis of being a clash of cultures (like in the first video) rather than also acknowledging the very real and very big political and geo-political influences at play.

Everyone wants to focus on the clash of cultures, but no one seems to mind the business that much of the West does with powers like Saudi Arabia, whom have links to spreading radical dogma throughout much of the world. Yet, they are seen as allies because the business is good with said powers. That's the reality of our world, it's not simple, it's not clear cut and it isn't pretty.

And frankly, I dislike how in your first video, she shills the typical set of comments about how the current generation of young adults are consumerists and focus only on cheap thrills and nothing else. How real world issues are ignored. That line has been used in right-wing propaganda against the "younger generations" for a long-ass time. With a growing right-leaning populace in the West, it's only natural to see more of this rhetoric rise. However, I find it interesting that some who used to protest the right for doing this to them are now using the same language to cover their own arguments.

I'm getting sick of these YT advocates who all claim to be intellectuals, all parroting the same fickle opinions from day-to-day. SJWs gave rise to anti-SJWs who are now starting to become just as bad and sensitive to any sort of critics as their left-leaning counterparts.

The world was never simple and it's never going to be. Billions of people on this planet with all sorts of ideas of what is right and wrong, what is moral and what isn't...
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PostPosted: Friday March 31, 2017 20:35:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

SKORGE has some good points ya'll.
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PostPosted: Saturday April 01, 2017 10:12:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Frankly, I laugh whenever people devalue this entire debate on the basis of being a clash of cultures (like in the first video) rather than also acknowledging the very real and very big political and geo-political influences at play.

Everyone wants to focus on the clash of cultures, but no one seems to mind the business that much of the West does with powers like Saudi Arabia, whom have links to spreading radical dogma throughout much of the world. Yet, they are seen as allies because the business is good with said powers. That's the reality of our world, it's not simple, it's not clear cut and it isn't pretty.


That's the form a clash of cultures takes. It's not all about war and social upheaval, such a clash is going to feature dirty tactics from the people in charge. It doesn't matter that many people in both cultures are smart enough to get along, and economically we benefit from each other. We've benefited from Islam for centuries (look no further than the Ottoman Empire's invention of the concept of "zero"). And they've benefited from us, at least before we started pushing them over to take their stuff. The benefits don't matter. Large portions of our culture and large portions of their culture want to kill each other at all costs. And it's the innocents that always suffer.

Morality is actually pretty simple. Do unto others and all that shit. It all boils down to the golden rule. But large portions of Christianity think that fighting Islam is the road to righteous endtimes where the world ends but it's cool because "we" win. And large portions of Islam think that jihad is the way of Islam.

So... yeah, I honestly believe that people are dumb. And even smart people make dumb, short-sighted choices when placed in power.

Look no further than Trump for proof that it's going to get worse. And I'm not condemning Muslims, though our leaders have stirred the pot for decades to the point that large swaths of their lands are producing batshit crazy, battle-tested motherfuckers. What I'm trying to say is that their idiots fear and loathe our idiots, and our idiots fear and loathe their idiots. And idiots aren't rare.

The reason I made this thread is because I'd like to start a discussion about the future. What your thoughts are, beyond "it'll work out" because that's a hope, not an opinion.

And since "it's going to get worse" is really vague, I'll expand on my opinion if anyone wants to talk. Not interested in doomsday talk, because nuclear war is unlikely and most of us will survive conventional wars. But '1984' looks like an eventuality.
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PostPosted: Saturday April 01, 2017 17:54:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts? It's going to get worse. All of humanity is like teenaged Peter Parker, obsessed with the miniscule power we all have, even divided up between everyone. Except eternally ignorant of the past and consequences, forever unable to learn or grow beyond its initial limits.

Humans are base, shallow, selfish creatures. They have a natural inability to work together, to trust, to share... even to exist together. And civilization is all about fighting that nature, but that's all it is. Even after all these years, it's just a candle in the dark beating back the ancient instinct to pick u p a rock and make everything yours.
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PostPosted: Sunday April 02, 2017 8:11:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was asking for clarification on the point of this thread, as you seemed to imply a great many things, yet none of which made the intent of this thread clear. Now that you've done just that:

    The reason I made this thread is because I'd like to start a discussion about the future. What your thoughts are, beyond "it'll work out" because that's a hope, not an opinion.


My thoughts are fuck-all.

While certain events that seem to be unfolding are worrisome, much of it is out of our control. There are powers at play that the average person has no hopes of ever interacting with. That isn't to say that I'm completely indifferent to what's happening, it's just a case of "what can you do?"

As for the 1984-talk, you could argue that elements of 1984 have already become a reality and that we've been living with them for close to a decade now.

Feel free to expand on your initial point(s), I'll respond likewise once we have more to actually discuss.
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PostPosted: Tuesday April 04, 2017 4:58:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's actually the exact reason I think 1984 is a certainty. Nothing like that happens overnight, and even Orwell underestimated how long it would take. I don't know if it will ever get as bad as the book, or if it will be permanent, but the claws are already hooked in us.

It looks to me like America is going to do more than strut and preen. Under Trump we're going to go to war in more places with more soldiers, and it's not going to renew our economy. It's going to warp it. By the end we might be more feared, but we'll be less respected and the stereotypes will feel more real in people's minds. Not just the stereotypes other countries have of Americans, but the stereotypes we have in America too.

My guess is we'll do a lot of stomping and fighting in Syria, we'll return to Afghanistan (though it won't be a focus, and will continue to be a fucking mire), and my cousin will probably be deployed somewhere in the region after he finishes Basic in the Fall. At some point near the end of Trump's current term, he'll shift focus to Mexico and there's a possibility we'll see an actual war on the cartels (which will only destabilize Mexico further). Even if he fails we'll see widespread fear and lots of soldiers patrolling the border, with his people claiming to halt illegal immigration by brute force.

If we aren't already carrying out drone strikes south of the border, we will be by 2019.

More and more protests will break out, and more and more of them will actually be riots. Legitimate protests will get curbstomped. Riots will rage like wildfires. All of this will cause more hatred and distrust on all sides, and anybody who tries to mediate will be ostracized or just ignored. Short term we'll see Americans segregate themselves on a level not seen since the Jim Crow laws, and long term we'll see more people of various ethnicities "fight in the race war." Which will turn it into a real race war within the next few decades unless a new MLK Jr. type figure arises successfully (which I find more and more unlikely given how social media causes a diaspora-effect in such movements).

Our children and grandchildren will be victims of racism, no matter their color, or they'll be sheltered in gated communities. In which case they're only hiding from a problem that will continue to fester, and will find their children to be unprepared.

In the end, America and the world at large will be even messier than before. And we'll be left in the dust shortly after. Civil rights will be a bad joke by the 40s.


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